Where2Now Conference – 10th Nov. Harrogate

Make a date for your diaries, 10th November is the Where2Now Conference in Harrogate. It’s being run by the AGI North Group. It will be well worth going to. There’s loads of excellent speakers and geo-luminaries (from such places as Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft / Bing, Ordnance Survey, OpenStreetMap etc) lined up:

Keep your eyes peeled for ticket info. In the meantime there’s a linkedIn events page.

I’ll also be speaking: about Open Historical Maps & the MapWarper project and it’s application to the New York Public Library – here are some slides about it for a taster.

The AGI North Group runs free monthly presentations across the North. I’ve blogged about some here (Service & Suppliers), here (NHS Health & DMA) and here (OSM).  Last week we were rewarded with an excellent presentation by Dr. Alun Junes about UKMap – the product that seeks to beat Ordnance Survey’s hold on the country.

AGI North Facebook group and the main group pages within the AGI website.

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times atlas, osm and mapmaker

News in brief style post… I really should do these as a podcast….

The Times Atlas, a wonderful coffee table sized book, has a section about OpenStreetMap. Nice!

Google MapMaker is releasing the data made by people using their Map Maker service, only for non-commercial and private use. Could be very useful for humanitarian work.  Currently for Kenya. Mikel does a great comparison of OSM vs Map Maker.

Google StreetView has launched in the UK for a few areas….highlights include half the photo covered with chestnut leaves, and in Bradford, the car being pulled over by the police. Ed writes a funny post about publicity, spectacle and the press, after the story about a village chasing the G car out of their roads.

Google: Give us the world. We’ll give you a web map.

Google has released MapMaker. Now you can fill Google’s databases with information about the world that they do not already have, and for your efforts, you get a map on a website that you cannot download to your computer, or put in your school’s magazine, or make a paper tourist map from, and you would probably get more spam (“targeted advertisements”), all for your hard work!

I’m pretty sure this software was what Michael Smith was talking about last year about India. The main shift, the main point that was missed by that last post by O’Reilly is that no GPS were used, it’s all about local knowledge on top of areal imagery.

So MapMaker, a nice idea, it’s an attempt by them to fill in the gaps of their maps, by getting people to do the work for them. At the moment, it’s mostly open for some small islands, around the world like Cyprus and Antiqua, and larger countries like Pakistan. (edited to separate Pakistan from smaller islands, thanks Golod!)

But, contribute all you like, you will never own your data you make, and will be held responsible if it’s wrong.

You will be stuck with the default road-centred view of the world that Google decides works best (it’s nice cartography, it is just inflexible). No exporting the data we can make, no seeing the map as a non driver may like to look at it, no footpaths, no cyclepaths, no special Greek language map of Northern Cyprus, and no making maps in countries that do not allow it, of course! Sjors thinks that it must have been rushed through as if it must be a mistake that Google is so closed.

However, have a look – it’s nice to be able to keep an eye on an area, moderation works nicely, and feedback about edits is well thought out. There some intelligent feature snapping going on too, and map edits are rendered quite quickly onto a transparent overlay, giving good feedback – but, I always thought that I was doing something for free, for very little reward. Afterall, Google pay Teleatlas and other mapping agencies / companies for their data… soon they may not have to.

Now, this posts title is a bit ungenerous! Google maps are not just web maps – as Nash writes, he’s excited about getting Pakistan on the map. “Imagine being able to access full maps on your cellphone, on an Android application, Location Based Services, local business search”. Unless there are alternatives in these spheres, and not just mapping, Google will dominate.

Of course, OpenStreetMap is an alternative and comparison of choice, with it’s Free and Open Source approach leading to better quality, nicer more flexible maps, and a good active community. With OpenStreetMap, You can download the data and do stuff with it, you can make a tourist map with it, you can put it in your school book, etc etc. Blinkgeo asks “what about openstreetmap?”, and hopes to see Google enabling export of the data. Steve Coast writes some more about mapmaker and openstreetmap. And highlights how Google is competing against the big data providers now.

Perhaps the big G will spark something new and creative in OSM in response? Perhaps mapmakers users will demand more for their work, or better tools? We will wait and see. Perhaps people will be happy spending time for minimal reward on data that will never be theirs?

Perhaps if making a is ok if it’s made fun enough, made into a game? Troq writes that they would love to take part in openstrettmap if there was some kind of a gaming competition around it.

overusing the word “open” at where2.0

Where 2.0 has started, alas, I’m not attending in person this year, but Nick Black spotted that my image is there instead, on the conference programme!

Big big thanks to Seero.com who are streaming most of the sessions, plus are archiving a lot of them too if you miss them. Also, the irc backchannel is #where2008 on freenode. The current over-used and misused word is “open”. (last year it was “GeoRSS”).

For live blogging, John Mckerrell is doing exhaustive transcribes too.

Things of note so far:

google includes geosearch in it’s API, and tries to kill Mapufacture. People freak out about augmented reality enhanced police states. Dash opens their API, ESRI and google have a “partnership”. This partnership, basically uses google earth and Arc Server may give a push into good open source / Free Web Processing Servers, as more people see the value of real geographical and spatial analysis, and not wanting to pay tens of thousands for a paleo-program and a new server with ridiculous specs for the privilege.